| Time posted |
Who |
Message |
| 23-Jan @ 06:21:58 PM |
Aurin@6Dragons |
Samson, you about? :) |
| 10-Jan @ 03:56:23 AM |
Aurin@6Dragons |
guess not heh |
| 10-Dec @ 03:32:46 PM |
Aurin@6Dragons |
or, now you can just check forums on smaugmuds.org :P |
| 10-Dec @ 01:34:38 PM |
Aurin@6Dragons |
have some smaug codebase questions if anyone is willing/able heh |
| 10-Dec @ 01:13:30 PM |
Aurin@6Dragons |
anyone out there? heh |
| 07-Dec @ 03:01:58 PM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
This isn't the hookup spot for teenage girls? |
| 07-Dec @ 03:01:04 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
i am 12 and what is this |
| 07-Dec @ 02:59:59 PM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
This icode? |
| 01-Dec @ 06:01:11 AM |
Ciras@MudName |
hola |
| 22-Oct @ 10:22:23 AM |
Aster@Talon |
I need a bit of help if anyone's on. |
| 06-Oct @ 08:04:17 AM |
Rojan@Talon |
Hey |
| 05-Oct @ 07:32:36 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
I mean, theoretically I could stop compression and send the MSDP and then start it again, but I feel like that would be inefficient |
| 05-Oct @ 07:31:50 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
I'm using his MTH snippet, was wondering if he ever ran into MCCP issues with MCCP compressing and breaking out-of-band output |
| 05-Oct @ 07:31:27 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
I suppose so |
| 05-Oct @ 07:30:09 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
other than mudbytes, you mean? |
| 05-Oct @ 07:28:07 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
Anyone know where I could find Scandum to ask a MSDP question? |
| 05-Oct @ 05:27:43 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
:( |
| 05-Oct @ 05:20:07 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
ice cold |
| 05-Oct @ 05:19:58 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
that's cold, brah |
| 05-Oct @ 05:13:38 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
I'd call it MSSP if that weren't taken |
| 05-Oct @ 05:13:13 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
First I need to find a stupid scale |
| 05-Oct @ 05:11:17 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
then decide which to discard |
| 05-Oct @ 05:11:07 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
weight each on the stupid scale |
| 05-Oct @ 05:09:21 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
Stupid MCCP is breaking MSDP |
| 05-Oct @ 05:03:53 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
What? |
| 05-Oct @ 05:03:25 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
pleonasm |
| 05-Oct @ 05:03:22 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
I think my write_descriptor code is breaking since if I bug report the telopt codes they come through successfully :\ |
| 05-Oct @ 05:03:03 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
Heh, I'm trying to implement MSDP but having weird issues |
| 05-Oct @ 05:02:45 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
msdp lolno |
| 05-Oct @ 05:02:40 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
some experience with telopts yes |
| 05-Oct @ 05:01:57 PM |
Rojan@Talon |
Was wondering if any of you had experience with telnet codes and protocols like MSDP |
| 05-Oct @ 05:01:31 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
i don't know why you say goodbye |
| 20-Sep @ 09:24:59 AM |
Davion@ADP |
You'll have to loop through it and change it yourself "while( *str ) {{ *str = tolower(*str); ++str; } |
| 20-Sep @ 09:24:44 AM |
Vladaar@6Dragons |
heh thanks, found a way around my problem |
| 20-Sep @ 09:24:25 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Nope |
| 17-Sep @ 06:13:05 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
test |
| 04-Aug @ 10:38:56 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
even if they made it out of the desert they would be poor and unwanted dirty people....its a freaken curse |
| 04-Aug @ 10:38:51 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Didn't think so. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:38:44 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Will Assembly mud usher the Great One into our world to devour all life as we know it? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:38:01 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
AssemblyMUD will be cool Aster! LDA $D020! |
| 04-Aug @ 10:37:26 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I'll see you all after my hair falls out and I can make your text grow green and twist into unholy and unnatural shapes. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:37:04 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I'm going to drop C in my codebase and re-write the entire thing in eldritch runes. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:36:50 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:29:44 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
NPC's will take longer, since I haven't delved into the combat system here yet, but hey. It's a start. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:28:50 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
damn thats like EXACTLY my feeling |
| 04-Aug @ 10:28:46 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Actually, this weekend's project is to finish the DS room conversion and plop my entire world into about 30 domains. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:28:21 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
tell em!!! |
| 04-Aug @ 10:28:17 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
HEAR HEAR QUIX! |
| 04-Aug @ 10:27:48 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
That's why I'm converting to LPC.... I'm tired of spending all my time debugging memory issues. I'd rather debug my stupid logic errors. :) |
| 04-Aug @ 10:27:46 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
not sure how to describe my personal project with codebase names...but I'm taking a few concepts from about 10 diff codebases and trying to make them work together...so I'm programming America...and I'm like...at the civil war period right now. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:27:06 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Also, is mud developing ever gonna be about making a game again? >.> |
| 04-Aug @ 10:27:00 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Yep... I'm done with pointers and stupid string corruption and fixed bit sets. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:26:40 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
So, wait... What... I don't think I understand. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:26:23 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Converting a Dikumud into an LPmud? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:26:08 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
It's probably more revolutionary than babelmud, more beefed up than an iron realms mud, and more graphic intensive than ADoM. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:25:43 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
I'm actually converting it to an LPMUD, and evolving the timeline a few centuries in the process. :) |
| 04-Aug @ 10:25:11 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I'm afraid. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:25:04 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
ask him what he's really doing with his mud |
| 04-Aug @ 10:24:48 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
A civil war soldier giving combat advice to a modern seal trying to storm a beach with a peashooter. Not having an OLC, c'mon? I thought convenience was the topic of debate. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:24:02 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
heh, aster is like a civil war soldier giving combat advice to a modern SEAL |
| 04-Aug @ 10:23:53 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
Quix I want to do that, but I haven't learned how to tie that stuff in so I'm leaving it as well designed OOP as possible so I can incorp new methods later |
| 04-Aug @ 10:23:51 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
4000 rooms, all hand-edited over 10 years with graph paper, stone knives, and bearskins! Muahahahahaa! |
| 04-Aug @ 10:23:43 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Happy birthday. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:23:37 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
*hands you some smaugfuss 1.9 |
| 04-Aug @ 10:23:30 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Geez, Quix. make some OLC. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:23:19 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Nevermind. If you've not got an olc, then yes, your way is waaay better. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:23:16 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Yeah, so vnums are a LOT of fun now, right? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:23:05 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Oh god, yeah, nevermind. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:23:00 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Ooooh |
| 04-Aug @ 10:22:50 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
online creation.... original Diku, I edit tinyworld.wld with vi baby. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:22:49 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I usually oset/mset/redit each value by hand. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:22:44 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
also imo if yer making a from scratch thing, you should seriously consider having the codebase be as bare a chassis as possible that integrates some other higher level language for building/developing |
| 04-Aug @ 10:22:42 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
yeah that sounds like database queueing... or whatever and I freaking hate databases...which is dumb for a game designer but SO WHAT! |
| 04-Aug @ 10:22:40 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I remember what it used to be... it's like some sort of prompt? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:22:31 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Online l something |
| 04-Aug @ 10:22:23 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
OLC? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:22:14 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Besides, you're assuming I have OLC. My mud pre-dates Locke. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:21:45 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Which would show you 1387 grindstone (a grindstone) and 1388 toy whistle whimsy (a whimsical toy whistle) |
| 04-Aug @ 10:21:33 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
I'm not logged in, sorry. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:21:03 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
that's when you olist 1387 1388 |
| 04-Aug @ 10:20:58 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
Agree @Crat |
| 04-Aug @ 10:20:44 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Negative in three different aspects. Like if( !truebool ) then if( falsebool ) then... know what, that was a bad example. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:20:38 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
yes it's nice |
| 04-Aug @ 10:20:34 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
so no you dont need it |
| 04-Aug @ 10:20:18 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
vnum 1387 grinds my gears... or wait, maybe it was vnum 1388... one of them is a grindstone, the other is a toy whistle... .hmmmm... gotta look it up. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:20:16 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
but imo people prefer using names and the time it takes to look things up accumulates into annoyance |
| 04-Aug @ 10:20:13 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Reverse reverse reverse logic. Not double negative plus an extra negative making it regular negative, but somehow TRIPLE NEGATIVE. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:19:51 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
what? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:19:43 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
You know what really grinds my gears? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:19:33 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
num grinds my gears |
| 04-Aug @ 10:19:15 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
actually i just hate anything with the "num" |
| 04-Aug @ 10:19:13 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
If I'm in a room with something, then it works. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:19:09 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
My diku is original... vnum != rnum. vnum 3001 might be rnum 987, which is the array index. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:19:07 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Nor the filesystems, really. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:18:58 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
even better, so you really totally dont need it |
| 04-Aug @ 10:18:53 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I can ostat club! :D |
| 04-Aug @ 10:18:47 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I don't have to ostat object 3288 |
| 04-Aug @ 10:18:45 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
yeah |
| 04-Aug @ 10:18:31 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
And I can just ostat system32. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:18:23 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Because that's what you're doing with vnums. Actually, in original diku, vnum and rnum. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:18:22 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
word my only issue is that numbers alone...make for a annoying debugging experience sometimes |
| 04-Aug @ 10:18:18 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
dont be lazy |
| 04-Aug @ 10:18:17 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
My vnums aren't thirty eight characters long. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:18:13 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
just ostat the block |
| 04-Aug @ 10:17:51 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
If you want a direct comparison, look at the files on your hard drive. They all have block numbers. Now, instead of /etc/hosts, or C:/windows/system32, try navigating by block number. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:17:40 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
/area/vnum. Rock it, Kelron. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:17:23 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
And Kelron's got the right idea! |
| 04-Aug @ 10:17:12 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
And I didn't impliment them, came as is. I like 'em. If I really need to use the vnums, then I use 'em... I'd rather not type out a filesystem, and would like to just go typatype type on my lil' numpad here. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:17:05 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
indeed, which is why I personally like using names+numbers....use them both...best of both worlds...personally. whatever lets you get the job done, in the end, is a good choice |
| 04-Aug @ 10:16:26 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I'm not debating the legitimacy of these techniques, I'm just tryin' to understand what's so durn special. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:16:13 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
but your argument is basically "it's fine like this, i can make do" |
| 04-Aug @ 10:16:11 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Well, if you don't use them, why implement them? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:16:10 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Just that this is their preferred method |
| 04-Aug @ 10:15:58 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
now, nobody is saying that you can't cope as-is |
| 04-Aug @ 10:15:44 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I don't reference vnums too muuuch >.> |
| 04-Aug @ 10:15:18 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
IE: If I see a bunch of newbies gaining levels too fast because they're killing /d/Shylar/npc/villager too often, I know the villager is too weak. I'm more likely to do something about it than seeing strings of vnums I'd have to go look up just to know what's going on. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:15:10 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
And my log files appear to parse with "Roger in apartment eighteen in zone apartment buildings is wearing a club." |
| 04-Aug @ 10:14:59 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
cuz theyre humans |
| 04-Aug @ 10:14:54 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
and prefer names |
| 04-Aug @ 10:14:50 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
but humans prefer not having to remember ip addresses |
| 04-Aug @ 10:14:37 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
aster, an example is that nobody likes implementing and running DNS |
| 04-Aug @ 10:14:33 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Ew. I hate log files. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:14:03 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
The thing is, Aster is assuming admins love spending half their time running ostat/mstat, rather than just perusing the log files with fully fleshed out names in them while they're doing other things. :) |
| 04-Aug @ 10:13:59 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
...The one nerd who doesn't get the high level jokes in the group? Awh man. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:13:58 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
well I feel misunderstood...I dislike the vnum system by ITSELF...it makes more sense to mean to use BOTH systems side by side..vnums remind be of a database. if you pair it up with a hierarchy you get the best of both worlds |
| 04-Aug @ 10:13:38 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
and yeah, logical naming then becomes a reasonable thing to argue about |
| 04-Aug @ 10:13:36 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
...Is that like mudprogs? Wait, hold on just a second, am I like the dumb nerd here? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:13:08 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
oh if yer starting from scratch, then you need to focus on the interpreted build language |
| 04-Aug @ 10:13:08 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
is apparently a lost cause. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:12:47 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
I'm mainly illustrating the idea for Kelron who claims to be building a driver from scratch. There's still hope for him. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:12:40 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I don't really gain anything... but I really don't have a problem with looking at a mob, and ostatting their items. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:12:17 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
diku people aren't going to convert to filebased addressing |
| 04-Aug @ 10:12:01 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
while i agree with quix, im not sure what he gains by pursuing this argument |
| 04-Aug @ 10:11:35 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
If I'm looking at a room, seeing the full path of everything involved means I can (at a glance) know exactly what comes from where. If I see vnum 1872 loaded into the room, I have to go look that up. Then I have to go look up item 81772 to see that it's a club, and item 1629 to see that it's a lantern. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:11:35 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
It pleases me that you're not. Yes... Excelleeeeent... This pleases me greatly. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:11:28 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
........-lost- |
| 04-Aug @ 10:11:10 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I thought everything you said was censored now. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:11:07 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
yeah Crat |
| 04-Aug @ 10:10:56 AM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls |
incidentally, roger can still have a number |
| 04-Aug @ 10:10:45 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
waggles fingers |
| 04-Aug @ 10:10:42 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
OooOoOOoOooooo! |
| 04-Aug @ 10:10:33 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Writing the descriptiooooooons by haaaaaaaaand |
| 04-Aug @ 10:10:27 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
A room, a mob, and an object at a tiiiiiiiime. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:10:20 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I do build. I'm building my whooooooole wooooooorld. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:10:14 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
it could still have an overall database number...but giving it a description makes it more specific |
| 04-Aug @ 10:09:55 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
That wasn't rhetorical, I'm mistunderstanding something, and would like to know bettarh. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:09:54 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
You don't build at all, do you? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:09:41 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
What do you learn from it? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:09:21 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
So I already know what mob they are. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:09:20 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
I'm talking about the logic side, not the designer side |
| 04-Aug @ 10:09:14 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Because it makes it clear what things are without having to look them up. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:09:13 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Usually... in most references, mobs are referenced by their name/short descr... at least in my codebase. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:08:46 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
...Then why do I need to assign him to the filesystems? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:08:44 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
goto orc, same diff. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:08:35 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
you wouldn't, you'd just goto roger.... |
| 04-Aug @ 10:08:22 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
What loops are you talking about? find orc. Same lookup you do with vnums. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:07:32 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
my only issue where the nessasary loops needed just to find ANYTHING |
| 04-Aug @ 10:07:26 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
If I had to go "Alright... where's the mob I'm looking for? Geez, okay... goto /universe1/crab nebula/x5119z star system/planet zeta/continent q/region z/citystate alpha/section c/building 199/floor 2/room 18/orc named roger/" I think I'd kill myself... if I had to do that. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:07:21 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
/standard/npc/orc also tells me much more than seeing vnum 1276 wandering in room 3012. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:06:43 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
/d/Shylar/room/travellers_road_3 tells me a lot more than 3012, without having to do any obscure lookups. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:06:08 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Cause I'm OCD. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:06:03 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
But I like to have my numbers right next to each other. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:05:53 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
It's unallocated potential :P |
| 04-Aug @ 10:05:48 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Of course not |
| 04-Aug @ 10:05:46 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Say you use 3001, 3002, and 3004. But you skip 3003. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:05:34 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
You don't actualy think those take up any space, do you? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:05:26 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Non used vnums. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:05:17 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
What do you mean by "wasted"? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:05:16 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
If there's more overall space, renumber the areas too. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:05:01 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
It shows only the five rooms. If there's wasted space, renumber the rooms. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:04:47 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
It has so many rooms... rlist 3000 - 3300 shows all the rooms... Say it only has five. *sniffs* |
| 04-Aug @ 10:04:28 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
An area has vnums say... 3000 - 3300 |
| 04-Aug @ 10:04:13 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I disagree completely! |
| 04-Aug @ 10:03:56 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Lack of structure, more like. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:03:51 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
You have a linear structure there. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:03:42 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Structure |
| 04-Aug @ 10:03:42 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
wait...that was late as crap |
| 04-Aug @ 10:03:34 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
exactly! |
| 04-Aug @ 10:03:32 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Why in the world would I want to make that much extra work for myself? What do vnums gain you? |
| 04-Aug @ 10:03:08 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
hugs an orc named Roger. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:03:01 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
hug roger. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:02:56 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
There he iiiiis! |
| 04-Aug @ 10:02:52 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
goto 2.Roger |
| 04-Aug @ 10:02:49 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Hrm. Two rogers. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:02:45 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
goto Roger |
| 04-Aug @ 10:02:39 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Oh look, he's an orc named Roger. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:02:34 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
minvoke 3017. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:02:17 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
What name? I said 3017. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:02:14 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Or if all else fails, mlist <low range> <high range> and pluck it out. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:01:57 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
If there are more mobs with the name, goto <instancenumber>.<mobname> |
| 04-Aug @ 10:01:43 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
You can goto <mobname> |
| 04-Aug @ 10:01:36 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Yeah huh. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:01:28 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I can make a prog to spawn a metric s*** tonne of mobs all over an area. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:01:20 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
I disagree. The system is designed poorly, because without going and looking those numbers up, you can't see what's going on. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:01:08 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Don't make it easy to be farman'. Have them spawn the mobs randomly in the area. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:00:54 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Have it only spawn the item so many times, or purge it on death, etc. etc. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:00:39 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Developer's fault, not the code's. |
| 04-Aug @ 10:00:18 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
ORLY? Then why are newbies farming it? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:59:43 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Nothin' at all. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:59:27 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Ok, vnum 3017 is wielding vnum 3298 in room 3001. What's wrong? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:58:56 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I see nothing wrong with vnums <.< |
| 04-Aug @ 09:58:49 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Dynamic and Static has nothing to do with flat vs. hierarchy. They are independant properties. I can hard-code a tree, or I could make a vnum system that adapts on the fly. :) |
| 04-Aug @ 09:58:46 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
...I like vnums |
| 04-Aug @ 09:57:36 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
dynamic order....hrm...thats a cool name |
| 04-Aug @ 09:57:19 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
flat is not dynamic...I love dynamic order |
| 04-Aug @ 09:56:21 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
thx...that means so much...::sniff sniff:: <3 |
| 04-Aug @ 09:56:13 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
The big issue with vnums is that it's a flat system. You have to artifically hack out ranges to group things, and even if you used names, orc32 and orc37 still need lookups to know where they belong. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:55:21 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
In any case, as long as you have some hierarchy, I'm sure it'll work fine. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:54:41 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Heh, you're writing from scratch. You have every choice. :) |
| 04-Aug @ 09:54:37 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
built in software = da shiz |
| 04-Aug @ 09:53:45 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
I see what you mean. I do not have a choice. My game design style is EXTREMELY envrionment interactive. I need a very simple but descriptive way to access parts of areas quickly without searching the entire gambit |
| 04-Aug @ 09:53:08 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Main thing is though, even if you're not using files... a/b/c works well for divisions and is just as easy to parse as anything else. LPC even has virtual objects that pretend they have real filesystem paths to describe how to actually create them. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:51:58 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
hrm? I didn't give them names I just put the object types to describe the path |
| 04-Aug @ 09:51:05 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
haven't finished planets yet though |
| 04-Aug @ 09:51:01 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
However you like to organize for your environment. In my case /domain/foo is an area. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:50:55 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
err..forgot universe->starsystem-> |
| 04-Aug @ 09:50:18 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
planet->city->Zone->Sector->Room |
| 04-Aug @ 09:49:55 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Why not? It's directly from LPC, which actually uses the filesystem. Makes sense, easy to parse, easy to work with. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:49:12 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
oh...but I'm doing the same thing with OOP...you actually use that format? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:49:10 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Or /standard/npc/orc, for things that are used in many places... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:48:30 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
/domain/continent_of_doom/newbie_vilage/rooms/main_street_12 |
| 04-Aug @ 09:48:17 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
I almost...feel like I understand what you mean |
| 04-Aug @ 09:48:00 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
virtual pathnames...can you give me an example? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:47:42 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
vnums are silly. I much prefer using virtual pathnames. :) |
| 04-Aug @ 09:47:19 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
that was tough |
| 04-Aug @ 09:47:15 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
sorry I'm making a galactic domination game...and nobody is ever safe...no NPC can't be killed or robbed....all planets may be subject to destruction, I've covered my ass on "what ifs" with story plot, cause its fiction and I can do whatever I want...no seriously I came up with a plan for starting worlds to get destroyed and rebuilt but not affect new players |
| 04-Aug @ 09:45:27 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
but...they can be destroyed also MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 04-Aug @ 09:45:10 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
well thats only 90% of the content..for a game...at least mine it has a story, so there will be designer defined worlds/areas |
| 04-Aug @ 09:44:31 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
yes, designers make up the legos...players put them together |
| 04-Aug @ 09:44:10 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Lordy... Why? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:44:01 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
player built? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:43:37 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
whole idea is player built or user defined content...so it has to be simple and slightly foolproof |
| 04-Aug @ 09:43:03 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
oh oh yeah blah i forgot main concept, rooms/buildings blah blah types are like....0 = wilderness...has a default description, custom descriptions are loaded from playerfiles/clanfiles at startup |
| 04-Aug @ 09:41:42 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
everything is broken up into objects, I want to have semi-random generated maps, so I have sub sections like a "city block" in objects. I've yet to define how I'll print the contents out to file |
| 04-Aug @ 09:40:48 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
What's it index them by? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:40:46 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
not really, I started with the server socket crap |
| 04-Aug @ 09:40:40 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Big time. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:40:29 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I'm so sorry. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:40:29 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
avoiding the vnum method has become my ultimate challenge |
| 04-Aug @ 09:40:27 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
you really are making it from scratch. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:40:18 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
good lord. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:39:53 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
my goal is to make a decent starter for c++ coders, I'll lay claim on the combat mechanics...but the general idea I want to be open source |
| 04-Aug @ 09:38:45 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
bah all this code talk I need to finish my area file system so I can finish mudcoder revolution |
| 04-Aug @ 09:38:10 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
It depends on who wrote the comments xP |
| 04-Aug @ 09:37:50 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Maybe. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:37:42 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
or you spell except correctly |
| 04-Aug @ 09:37:18 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
accept you go in poorly dressed and come out looking well refined |
| 04-Aug @ 09:37:07 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I want three. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:37:03 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
YES! |
| 04-Aug @ 09:36:54 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
yeah...a startrek teleporter |
| 04-Aug @ 09:36:29 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Like taking a human, and splitting it into various subatomic particles, then piecing that back together again. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:36:01 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Or get a hex editor, then write out every symbol from reading the hex by eye >.> |
| 04-Aug @ 09:35:54 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
its like, turning icecream into soup, then refreezing it.....or something lol |
| 04-Aug @ 09:35:25 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
haha break it down to low level...then convert it back to C.... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:35:11 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
writes himself up a cotton candy parser which he names ccp... oh shi- |
| 04-Aug @ 09:34:31 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Also, Quix... I didn't mean to ignore your last comment... but I really didn't understand what you said... clarify pease? *puppyeyes* |
| 04-Aug @ 09:34:05 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I bet it's a cotton candy parser. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:33:43 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
You go "Pft. Move aside, weaklings. Let me show you how to do it." |
| 04-Aug @ 09:33:39 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
my vars are > three letters...I tend to use the first 3-4 letters decribing my vars...ie. strBuffer.....bet you can't guess what that is |
| 04-Aug @ 09:33:24 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Then when the normal level tough stuff goes in, |
| 04-Aug @ 09:33:16 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Easy way to do that Aster. Write good code, use gcc -S to make it assembly, then use an assembly to C converter on it. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:33:14 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
You'd have a tough time at doing anything... You'd get used to it. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:33:07 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
And if you DIDN'T make things easy on yourself... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:32:59 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
And if you didn't comment everything, |
| 04-Aug @ 09:32:50 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Just to f*** with myself later. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:32:33 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Sometimes I'll just name them var1, var2, varc, varfhtagn, etc. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:32:18 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
zing |
| 04-Aug @ 09:32:05 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Of course, you youngsters probably just assume you'll remember everything forever. I'd tell what you have to look forward to, but... what were we talking about? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:32:01 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
my variables are really random. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:31:54 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
aww that was evil |
| 04-Aug @ 09:31:39 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
but I'll get around to telling ya'll what it is later. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:31:31 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
my major issue were ...varible names that do NOT describe the usage....I can't help that my vars are easyToReadStrings |
| 04-Aug @ 09:30:56 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I've found the best way to break procrastination. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:30:55 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Besides, when you look at your code 12 years later, it's fun to see things like /* No dumbass, that won't work going from 16 to 32 bit processors! */ |
| 04-Aug @ 09:30:40 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
nice |
| 04-Aug @ 09:30:25 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
If it's broke, I'll go in, read it, and if I don't like what I read, re-do it... >.> |
| 04-Aug @ 09:30:21 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
no joke, comments are just ugh...I don't even attempt complex logic without explaining it first. actually helps me to fully understand it on a deeper level |
| 04-Aug @ 09:30:10 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I doubt I'd ever get a second coder for my mud... so I figure if I remember what something does, why comment? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:29:42 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Not commenting is just plain silly unless you're working on job security, and even that is mostly pointless these days. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:29:41 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
haha |
| 04-Aug @ 09:29:23 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Cause if( !forget ) comment_line() |
| 04-Aug @ 09:29:13 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
I make it a religious habbit after one of my programming instructors REQUIRED it...he was a nazi about it. But I'll be damned if I never got confused after coming back tot he code. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:28:57 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
...Most people would have a lot of difficulty understanding that sentence I just wrote. Not you guys though. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:28:33 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I comment only when I forget not to. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:28:19 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
but if it isn't short and sweet...I space it out..and EVERYTHING gets comments |
| 04-Aug @ 09:28:07 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Kelrooon! Grab Lop from smaugmuds.org(net?) |
| 04-Aug @ 09:28:05 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
I do that too...when its a short sweet logic solve... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:27:33 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
indent even.... :) |
| 04-Aug @ 09:27:32 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
No, it's cool though. You'd like it. But what I meant was like... er... "if(something)/newline/{/newline/ content/newline/" etc. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:27:21 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
But for C code, ident fixes that nicely. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:27:15 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
I can even deal with that...but DON'T please DON'T mix up multi lines and single lines |
| 04-Aug @ 09:26:47 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Oooh. Right right. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:26:36 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
3 space indenting... to handle "my $foo; $foo = 12;" type of thing. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:26:31 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Really uniform. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:26:29 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
3 space indenting... to handle "my = 12;" type of thing. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:26:28 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Ah. Yeah, get LOP. It's uniform. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:26:19 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I have no idea what ya'll're talkin' about. I've barely got my feet wet with code >.> |
| 04-Aug @ 09:26:12 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
I can deal with good indents that are uniform, it was like every 10 lines someone changed up the style |
| 04-Aug @ 09:26:08 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
perl programmer? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:25:59 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Oh, a perl programmer. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:25:45 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
LOP was apparently meticulously gone through (or search replaced) every tab with three spaces. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:25:41 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
That's what this fancy "indent" utility is for |
| 04-Aug @ 09:25:28 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Define spacing? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:25:16 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
the spacing is a fucking nightmare |
| 04-Aug @ 09:25:08 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
If something's wrong, I now know the function, hell, if I can't guess the line I'd probably have to owe you a buck. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:25:06 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
I could never bring myself to read diku and most smaug..... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:24:48 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I'm INTIMATELY familiar with it. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:24:42 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
in one night. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:24:39 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I bought a metric s*** tonne of mountain dew, and read every single line of my codebase. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:24:21 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I just did the logical sane thing... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:24:16 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Oh lord, Kelron. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:23:58 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Quix, that's great. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:23:53 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
bah I got so tired of working with /* I wonder how this works */ started writing my own codebase........nightmare |
| 04-Aug @ 09:23:37 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Woah, yer a player on imc? Woooooooah. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:23:34 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
My favorite is a line somewhere that used floating point numbers and had a line that said if(x != x) { do stuff... }, and a comment #Yes, I really mean that! Some machines don't error on some floating point operations, they set the NaN flag which you can only find by having it be not equal to itself. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:23:20 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Diku makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... Hey, tell Lyanic I said hi when you see 'em. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:22:57 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
HA i have like 15 diff codebases downloaded...half are diku based |
| 04-Aug @ 09:22:48 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Caught a few nasties in the ifchecks. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:22:41 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I'm STILL finding bugs though. Big ones. Like stuff with morph. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:22:30 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Pick up a copy of LOP or SmaugFUSS 1.9. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:22:21 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
i bet its kicking those returns out...before comparring |
| 04-Aug @ 09:22:13 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
-d |
| 04-Aug @ 09:22:11 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
now I wanna look at it |
| 04-Aug @ 09:22:08 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I love diku.d |
| 04-Aug @ 09:22:05 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
awersome. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:21:58 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
[icode] Davion@ADP: str_cmp is diku Kelron |
| 04-Aug @ 09:21:55 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Like a damn charm. Also, hiya Crat........ Everything you say is censored now, isn't it? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:21:41 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
str_cmp's the diku function? Well... either way, it did the trick. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:21:24 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
so Aster using the diku function did the trick? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:21:17 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
So, right, Davion, tell me about your mudprogs! |
| 04-Aug @ 09:21:08 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
...though I think the squirells were calling it Nut portable... or... something. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:20:45 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Quixadhal, you know you can play Acorn outside now right? With Acorn Portable! |
| 04-Aug @ 09:20:20 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Hey look! I can get this running on an Acorn workstation with the default C compiler! |
| 04-Aug @ 09:20:19 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I love stuff like that. It's how I operate. >.> |
| 04-Aug @ 09:20:05 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I remember reading a comment something along the lines of /* I'm not even really sure how this is working now, but it is. - Thoric */ |
| 04-Aug @ 09:19:44 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
There are so many weird roundabout things I've been seeing in code lately... what's a good one? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:19:14 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Not sure about str_cmp though... the diku folk liked to roll their own version of system routines, so they'd compile on tinker-toy boxes from the 80's that nobody liked. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:19:05 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Are they much nicer? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:18:57 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Nah, ROM here. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:18:48 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Do you have the hilariously inflexible mudprogs from stock smaug? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:18:33 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Davion@ADP nods. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:18:20 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Ahhh... Davion, do you have mudprogs? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:18:17 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Oh, and strcmp/strcasecmp both return -1 if the first string is lexically before the second, 0 if they're equal, and 1 if the first comes after the second. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:18:10 AM |
Davion@ADP |
str_cmp is diku Kelron |
| 04-Aug @ 09:18:07 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Even if you test all possible outcomes from a very small function and get the desired results? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:17:58 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
this is odd...str_cmp does NOT show up in c++ searches....so it might be strictly C... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:17:54 AM |
Davion@ADP |
ADP is a dikurivative |
| 04-Aug @ 09:17:36 AM |
Davion@ADP |
undefined behaviour |
| 04-Aug @ 09:17:22 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
What's UB? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:17:19 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Oh such roundabout ways... Hey, nobody here even uses a smaug/diku derivitive, huh? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:17:18 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Of course, the number of logic errors resulting from the shared string system probably outweighs the gains from doing that... but hey. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:16:59 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Relying on UB for results is a bad idea Aster ;) |
| 04-Aug @ 09:16:44 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Work smarter, not harder. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:16:37 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Man, that's some voodoo ;) |
| 04-Aug @ 09:16:35 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Sexy logic there. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:16:29 AM |
Davion@ADP |
ohhhhhhh |
| 04-Aug @ 09:16:14 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
Once upon a time, str_cmp() would do a shortcut pointer comparison to see if two shared strings were both pointing to the exact same copy, which is faster than actually comparing their contents. :) |
| 04-Aug @ 09:16:10 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
found a clue |
| 04-Aug @ 09:15:54 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
replaced it with str_cmp, works like a damn charm. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:15:48 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Lemme guess! strcasecmp didn't exist in the stdlib when str_cmp was written? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:15:25 AM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
I actually know the answer to that one. *grin* |
| 04-Aug @ 09:15:12 AM |
Davion@ADP |
You can use str_cmp and strcasecmp interchangibly. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:14:47 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
hrm still though it might have an issue with those returns I'm gonna test it |
| 04-Aug @ 09:14:45 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Who knows |
| 04-Aug @ 09:14:39 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Why not strcasecmp? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:14:34 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Why would they name it the same? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:13:40 AM |
Davion@ADP |
str_cmp is not case sensitive, strcmp is case sensitive. The return values are the same |
| 04-Aug @ 09:13:18 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
they use both |
| 04-Aug @ 09:13:07 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
the other references to use of str_cmp...or do they use strcmp? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:12:53 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
i think so...trying to find the difference... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:12:10 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
so... right |
| 04-Aug @ 09:12:02 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Aster: If it's 0 they match, if it's 1 or more, they don't match. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:11:57 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
OH str_cmp might be what I've been looking for! |
| 04-Aug @ 09:11:43 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Also, strcmp and str_cmp are two different things. str_cmp is like strcasecmp |
| 04-Aug @ 09:11:42 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
...Wait, wouldn't that be -1, for null? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:11:36 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
huh. so would it be !strcmp? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:11:15 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
A zero value indicates that both strings are equal. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:10:56 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Well doesn't that make a whole lot of sense. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:10:56 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cstring/strcmp/ |
| 04-Aug @ 09:10:33 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Oh... apparently it's an int. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:10:25 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
because it's a very very weird bool that I cannot look at the code of >.> |
| 04-Aug @ 09:10:14 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Maybe it's because I'm using three references of !strcmp... and they're for three totally different things... I'm not really sure if !strcmp or strcmp is the one that basically does "This line is indeed like this other line." |
| 04-Aug @ 09:09:43 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I'm not trying to make a scratch source here, just add a panzer's weight in features to my current code. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:09:42 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
strcmp's bein' used alllll over the code. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:08:13 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
probably just have to make a new char and dump it into that. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:08:01 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I'd rather not dereference it then. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:07:51 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
for the others it's using nifty is name. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:07:50 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
*var? or *(var)? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:07:46 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
but... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:07:46 AM |
Davion@ADP |
You'd dereference it with * |
| 04-Aug @ 09:07:44 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
It's using str_cmp for evil. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:07:39 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
...what the heck? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:07:36 AM |
Davion@ADP |
... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:07:35 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
command? you mean |
| 04-Aug @ 09:07:22 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
not atoi... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:07:19 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
or is that impossible? I can't remember. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:07:10 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Which depreciates the char to compare... and gives me an error every time. What is the command to turn a char pointer into a char? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:06:46 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Replaced str_cmp with nifty_is_name. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:06:43 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
hrm...???? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:06:37 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
wow. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:06:11 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
hah... I think it's working now. which makes all of no sense. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:06:08 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
indeed check the stack...does, strcmp filter out "/r/n" returns? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:06:00 AM |
Davion@ADP |
grin |
| 04-Aug @ 09:05:43 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Oh, I have to crash it first? Shite. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:05:36 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
no stack. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:05:28 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
maybe...its trying to compare evil to good/r/n |
| 04-Aug @ 09:05:22 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Anyway, right, what was I saying? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:05:22 AM |
Davion@ADP |
type 'bt' and it'll show you what frame the crash is local to your code, then type 'frame <frame number>' |
| 04-Aug @ 09:05:15 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Hehehe. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:05:12 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
>.> |
| 04-Aug @ 09:05:10 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
hrm... /r/n |
| 04-Aug @ 09:05:03 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
it did go to the next line when it was printed... but only cause it had a linebreak in it. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:04:49 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
did it go to the next line? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:04:45 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
info locals says no frame selected. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:04:38 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
literally. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:04:36 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
"good" |
| 04-Aug @ 09:04:35 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
lol nvm you said good |
| 04-Aug @ 09:04:29 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
....which was? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:04:16 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
In this case, good. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:04:11 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Type 'info locals' to see what's around |
| 04-Aug @ 09:04:11 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
printing out the contents of reqalign prints out the contents of reqalign. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:04:00 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
No symbol "skill" in current context. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:03:54 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
so when you printed the contents of reqalign, what happened? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:03:26 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Also, p skill cannot print. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:03:19 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I mean when it calls in ->reqalign. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:03:11 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Ya, first check that skill is ok, if it it is, then ->reqalign is not |
| 04-Aug @ 09:03:07 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
you mean...it doesn't work for you or it printed out nothing? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:02:41 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
For an immortal it doesn't seem to do anythin'. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:02:39 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
yep my first step would be checking the contents |
| 04-Aug @ 09:02:35 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Oh, right. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:02:11 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
sorry ok finish... |
| 04-Aug @ 09:02:01 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
alright, alright. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:01:58 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
and... what was I trying. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:01:49 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Skill's just fine... this new addition seems not to be though, |
| 04-Aug @ 09:01:35 AM |
Davion@ADP |
p == print |
| 04-Aug @ 09:01:33 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Yes, skill-reqalign is initialized. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:01:26 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
p skill? How odd. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:01:21 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
was the orginal skill->reqalign initialized? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:01:14 AM |
Davion@ADP |
gdb it and p skill |
| 04-Aug @ 09:01:13 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
skill's fine. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:01:08 AM |
Davion@ADP |
is skill ok? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:01:06 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
skill->reqalign is a char* |
| 04-Aug @ 09:00:56 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
if( !strcmp( "evil", skill->reqalign ) ) segfaults my mud. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:00:50 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
what is it not working? |
| 04-Aug @ 09:00:44 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
That segfaults the whole mud. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:00:34 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Huh. The case is still equal. |
| 04-Aug @ 09:00:29 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
k |
| 04-Aug @ 09:00:24 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Yeah, char* |
| 04-Aug @ 09:00:20 AM |
Davion@ADP |
strcmp is case sensitive |
| 04-Aug @ 09:00:18 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
That line up there, |
| 04-Aug @ 09:00:03 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
it's already been set. |
| 04-Aug @ 08:59:59 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
skill-reqalign is a char. |
| 04-Aug @ 08:59:53 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
if( !strcmp( "evil", skill->reqalign ) ) |
| 04-Aug @ 08:59:44 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Well! There's your first problem ;) |
| 04-Aug @ 08:59:43 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I'm trying to do THIS: |
| 04-Aug @ 08:59:42 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
....lol ok whats the issue? |
| 04-Aug @ 08:59:29 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
...And ESPECIALLY not C~. Screw C tilde. Anyway, |
| 04-Aug @ 08:59:08 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
I'm in C... just C, not C++ not C#, not even C%. |
| 04-Aug @ 08:58:54 AM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
Awesome. Alright, so here's what I'm trying to do, |
| 04-Aug @ 08:58:48 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
yeah |
| 14-Jul @ 01:13:58 AM |
Parhelion@Talon |
Anyone know what the immediate problem is with getting the networking package to work with the stock kernel lib in DGD 1.4? (The file connection.c fails to compile, but there is no obvious reason why not.) |
| 09-Jul @ 01:39:59 PM |
Worstje@Talon |
Working on a SMAUG(fuss) amalgation of sorts, and I'm not exactly at home in the codebase. What method/file are characters finalized in before they're removed from the game upon logout/dc? I believe I've got some pointers to said CHAR_DATA in other objects that need resetting. |
| 08-Jun @ 08:56:46 PM |
Stainless@WarpMUD |
any coders on |
| 06-Jun @ 07:38:37 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
1010011 |
| 04-Jun @ 03:46:15 PM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
iFart |
| 04-Jun @ 03:45:37 PM |
Cratylus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
fart |
| 20-May @ 03:16:21 PM |
Balrog@AvP |
there much better |
| 20-May @ 03:16:17 PM |
Balrog@AvP |
nah steve jobs is going to just sue imc lol |
| 20-May @ 03:16:04 PM |
Balrog@AvP |
wow talk about typing wrong |
| 20-May @ 03:15:51 PM |
Balrog@AvP |
blah that came out so wrong |
| 20-May @ 03:15:32 PM |
Balrog@AvP |
nah steve jobs is going to just going to sue imc lol |
| 20-May @ 03:15:31 PM |
Scoyn@SWTSW |
Moreso, what would Apple do/say when they find out that one of their programs (iChat) is also a channel on a communication server for text based games based on a variety of other published works. |
| 20-May @ 03:14:19 PM |
Scoyn@SWTSW |
I've been wondering that for years. |
| 20-May @ 03:10:38 PM |
Quixadhal@Bloodlines |
So, is IMC sponsored by apple? ichat, icode, ifart? :) |
| 20-May @ 02:38:58 PM |
Retnur@CM |
/a ([A-Z])|an ([A-Z])/ |
| 20-May @ 02:38:54 PM |
DavidHaley@MW |
make non-capturing groups |
| 20-May @ 02:37:31 PM |
Retnur@CM |
Posted here to avoid the DH fray: Quix, how do you do capture groups using alternations in a regular expression? |
| 14-May @ 08:47:37 PM |
Kiasyn@Talon |
NULL |
| 14-May @ 07:04:51 PM |
Aster@SpiresofAster |
In Smaug, what are the serious disadvantages to removing order? Especially considering a lot of simple tasks could just be done with progs, triggering them off of says. |
| 10-May @ 04:54:44 PM |
Jandice@SWTSW |
affects |
| 10-May @ 02:15:41 PM |
Mudder@Talon |
What do you guys suspect would be the best (easiest) place to begin adding std::string into a rom codebase? |
| 10-May @ 02:10:59 PM |
Mudder@Talon |
Thanks David. |
| 10-May @ 02:08:54 PM |
DavidHaley@MW |
note that this is the same as the strcmp function from C |
| 10-May @ 02:08:48 PM |
DavidHaley@MW |
0 meaning that they are equal |
| 10-May @ 02:08:44 PM |
DavidHaley@MW |
or, use compare, but test against 0 |
| 10-May @ 02:08:33 PM |
DavidHaley@MW |
you can do std::string == char*, but not the other way around, IIRC |
| 10-May @ 02:08:20 PM |
DavidHaley@MW |
if you want equality, just use == |
| 10-May @ 02:08:11 PM |
DavidHaley@MW |
1 means that it's "larger than" the compared string |
| 10-May @ 02:04:30 PM |
Mudder@Talon |
Hm, I wanted equality. I assumed 1 would be positive. |
| 10-May @ 01:59:12 PM |
DavidHaley@MW |
compare returns -1, 0 or 1 |
| 10-May @ 01:59:03 PM |
DavidHaley@MW |
do you mean compare or equality? |
| 10-May @ 01:55:04 PM |
Mudder@Talon |
So I seem to be having an issue with std::strings. I'm trying to simply compare a std::string with a literal string and if true take an action. Something like if ( argument.compare("none") ==1 ) |
| 10-May @ 12:16:11 PM |
Mudder@Talon |
Okay, that's what I thought. I don't see much point in structures. |
| 10-May @ 12:05:55 PM |
Kayle@MW |
The only difference between a class and a struct in C++ is taht a class is private by default and a struct is public. Other than that, they're entirely identical. |
| 10-May @ 11:41:56 AM |
Mudder@Talon |
So in a MUD, is there ever a big advantage of using structs over classes? Since the only difference seems to be that classes allow you to be a control freak? |
| 10-May @ 08:31:01 AM |
Silenus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
yeah :-) |
| 10-May @ 08:30:48 AM |
Davion@ADP |
I did say 'kinda'! |
| 10-May @ 08:30:00 AM |
Silenus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
I still need to work on my C :-) |
| 10-May @ 08:29:43 AM |
Silenus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
but if you are learning to program i guess maybe you should learn both? |
| 10-May @ 08:29:10 AM |
Davion@ADP |
not saying there aren't a lot of crazy people in this world |
| 10-May @ 08:28:33 AM |
Silenus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
well according to that online survey thing C is more popular 2:1 versus C++ or something? |
| 10-May @ 08:28:06 AM |
Silenus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
simpler language easier to learn etc but no nice abstraction stuff |
| 10-May @ 08:28:05 AM |
Davion@ADP |
crazy crazy people |
| 10-May @ 08:27:36 AM |
Silenus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
a lot of people still use straight C |
| 10-May @ 08:27:19 AM |
Mudder@Talon |
Yeah once I get refreshed I need to get a higher level C++ book and actually learn the nice C++ features. :D |
| 10-May @ 08:27:02 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Or if you're like me and mix up orders, sometimes it's nice to see 'needle' and 'haystack' in there ;) |
| 10-May @ 08:26:17 AM |
Silenus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
reason being is if you stick the funcitons in a header you can have some hint of what the function arguments are for without reading the definitions |
| 10-May @ 08:25:57 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Especially with overloading'n such |
| 10-May @ 08:25:48 AM |
Silenus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
but the compiler doesnt need it |
| 10-May @ 08:25:47 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Davion@ADP nods. |
| 10-May @ 08:25:39 AM |
Silenus@Dead_Souls_Dev |
it's sometimes nice to have it |
| 10-May @ 08:24:42 AM |
Mudder@Talon |
Yeah I was just wondering if I could limit the variable name. |
| 10-May @ 08:23:12 AM |
Davion@ADP |
Just for looks. prototypes don't need names. "void printMessage(string);" is valid |
| 10-May @ 08:20:50 AM |
Mudder@Talon |
I have a dummy question, as I review coding and get rid of some rust. When declaring a prototype with a dummy argument such as void printMessage(string arg1); ...Must you name the variable arg1 when you give it the variable or is it simply for looks? |
| 02-May @ 11:40:03 PM |
Kiasyn@Talon |
moop |
| 02-May @ 10:50:16 PM |
Jandice@SWTSW |
there is a seperate option to precent command echo |
| 02-May @ 10:49:56 PM |
Jandice@SWTSW |
no, it omits the actual string that it trigger from. |
| 02-May @ 10:49:30 PM |
Scoyn@SWTSW |
Omitting the output omits an echo of sending the command to the MUD, iirc. I could be wrong though. Wouldn't surprise me. |
| 02-May @ 10:48:31 PM |
Jandice@SWTSW |
so the trigger is matching correctly? |
| 02-May @ 10:45:28 PM |
sasuke@Talon |
I can't seem to omit anything from output in Mushclient. I'm sending inventory to script from an alias, I want to gag (omit) the inventory from showing on the main page. Is there something I'm missing? I ticked the omit from output option in the box near where your writing the script. |
| 01-May @ 07:14:13 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
in the vast emptyness of space I call forth the coders from there fortified networks!...-lame- |
| 25-Apr @ 03:18:14 AM |
Worstje@Talon |
Would anyone here happen to have some experience with LPegs? |
| 20-Apr @ 11:42:22 AM |
Kline@AF_Dev |
My final output still has spacing issues like my original input |
| 20-Apr @ 11:40:28 AM |
Retnur@CoralMud |
What's it doing wrong? |
| 20-Apr @ 11:36:01 AM |
Kline@AF_Dev |
Can you glance this over, if you're still about Retnur? http://www.mudbytes.net/index.php?a=pastebin&s=view&pid=33209 |
| 20-Apr @ 11:28:03 AM |
Kline@AF_Dev |
Well, crashes be damned, I've gotten things to re-insert properly but the theory behind this doesn't hold (or I did something terribly wrong :) |
| 20-Apr @ 11:01:08 AM |
Retnur@CoralMud |
Most languages let you do something like haystack.replace(needle, a_new_needle) |
| 20-Apr @ 11:00:37 AM |
Kline@AF_Dev |
So I've gathered...lol |
| 20-Apr @ 11:00:30 AM |
Retnur@CoralMud |
It's a mess in C. :) |
| 20-Apr @ 11:00:21 AM |
Retnur@CoralMud |
*shrugs* |
| 20-Apr @ 11:00:16 AM |
Retnur@CoralMud |
You could just write a little function to do it probably using strncmp |
| 20-Apr @ 10:59:39 AM |
Kline@AF_Dev |
It is :( |
| 20-Apr @ 10:59:33 AM |
Retnur@CoralMud |
But it looks a little unwieldy. |
| 20-Apr @ 10:59:25 AM |
Kline@AF_Dev |
All I can think of is to match word:word, but roll back X places in the buffer to see if I start a color before the word, and if so, use that instead of a 1:1 |
| 20-Apr @ 10:59:20 AM |
Retnur@CoralMud |
I dunno. there's a replace function |
| 20-Apr @ 10:58:18 AM |
Retnur@CoralMud |
*looks* |
| 20-Apr @ 10:58:13 AM |
Retnur@CoralMud |
Not sure if C++ has anything that makes it easy to do |
| 20-Apr @ 10:58:02 AM |
Retnur@CoralMud |
Hrm |
| 20-Apr @ 10:57:16 AM |
Kline@AF_Dev |
So I'm at step 4 of your process; how would I do a successful match/replace of my original into my stripped and formatted; since the original has the additional chars in it? |
| 20-Apr @ 10:56:32 AM |
Retnur@CoralMud |
Yeah |
| 20-Apr @ 10:56:27 AM |
Kline@AF_Dev |
Retnur: Still about? |
| 20-Apr @ 05:20:15 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
is it a good idea to use objects all the way down to eyes and organs? |
| 20-Apr @ 05:18:17 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
i'm building a body system, body parts for eq, combat, etc |
| 20-Apr @ 05:17:55 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
was wondering if any coders out there could give me some advice on when not to use c++ objects |
| 20-Apr @ 05:17:30 AM |
Kelron@7thplane |
hello |
| 19-Apr @ 07:04:07 PM |
Tourun@CoralMud |
test |
| 15-Apr @ 01:00:46 AM |
Aster@SpiresOfAster |
Any takers? |
| 15-Apr @ 12:55:45 AM |
Aster@SpiresOfAster |
Without destroying everything. |
| 15-Apr @ 12:55:29 AM |
Aster@SpiresOfAster |
Using Smaugfuss structure |
| 15-Apr @ 12:55:07 AM |
Aster@SpiresOfAster |
I'm trying to figure out how to get strings that call the $n token for ch to show something else if a condition meets a perimeter in one fell swoop, rather than defining all of the rest. |
| 15-Apr @ 12:52:31 AM |
Aster@SpiresOfAster |
Anyone home? |
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